What's the general consensus of stuff like this? Would you want to see a display like this at an airshow or would you have safety concerns?
Youtube Video Here
My wings are like a shield of steel.
I have to say that although very impressive to see, i think this is a little foolhardy and i am pretty sure they wouldn't get away with it in this country!!!!
Flightglobal has this video and others in our "airliner aerobatics section of youtube", highlighting other advised and other more ill-advised aerobatic manoeuvres.
AirSpace - more than just hot air
1. If the event coordinator and and the pilots think there aren't any safety issues, then it's fine to do it albeit civil airplanes are not really meant to do special gigs unless they're flying into and from St. Maarten.
2. If the pilots are so concerned about the hazardous airport conditions like Kai Tak or Congonhas Airport, why would they approve this pilot's "once in a life time" act?
Yes! Because it shows the pilot's skill which could be put to good use in potentially dangerous situations which require heroics.
Of course I'm just saying that because it'd be really cool to see that at other airshows, considering the danger.
There are fly-bys that entertain and those that minimise
risk of incident.... It certainly did not comply with the latter in my
opinion. Trying to get the right
balance must be a tricky decision for some !
Mind you, are very own flag carrier has also previously demonstrated airshow bravado as well ! (White Waltham 1977)
As much as I like airliners, the truth of the matter is that watching run-of-the-mill Boeings and Airbuses at high-performance airshows is about as exciting for most as seeing a bus at a Formula 1 event.
I think the objective of the TAP pilots was to raise some eyebrows and have the crowd say "ahhhhhh!!!!" They certainly did that. To me it looked scary, then again most airshow events look like something I wouldn't attempt in an airplane.
The question really comes to TAP and its insurance company. Do they want to expose the airline and one of it's aircraft to this level of risk (including the fact that it's pilots are probably highly proficient at doing V1 cuts, but probably not at flying crowd aweing airshow stunts) for very questionable return?
A few more videos -
IMAO I think the TAP A310 pilot is another Bud Holland wanabe. I would ground him and not let him fly unless his attitude on safety improves. I would yank the airshow ticket and review it and TAP.
A310 Portugal Airshow 2007 Evora I
Air Show 2007 Evora
Low pass wing waggle over spectators I think the authorities should get reamed too.
A310 Portugal Airshow 2007 Evora II
I think the crew and air show authorities should have to watch this video and study this case.
Mishap of B-52 at Fairchild Air Force Base Washington
It's not the lowness (altitude) in itself that is my concern, it is the combination of factors. There seems to be multiple airshow safety standard violations that I observed in the TAP A310 airshow. (I am of course judging it by US standards, which supposedly is considered an international standard, since most of the European countries have adopted similar standards since the repeated crashes of Russian fighters).
There always should be a reasonable margin for error. It's the combination of being low altitude, a specially when there is banking, or unusually low speed near a crowd. Another combination that irks me, is low-speed maneuvering at low altitude over spectators.
(Another thing that appeared to be a violation: There appears to be some spectators on each side of the runway in some of the footage I have seen; at every show I have been at spectators are only allowed on one side of the runway in case there is some sort of failure the pilot can ditch the aircraft hopefully where there are no spectators. I'm not positive that is what I was seeing, but in some of the videos I've seen there sure seem to be an awful lot of dining flies on the opposite side of the runway if I was interpreting the low resolution video properly.)
If they keep on flying like this, I think it is just inviting disaster. I don't see how the airshow safety personnel allowed such carelessness; have they not learned from Bud Holland (the B-52 Fairchild Air Force Base mishap)?
Why do people insist on repeating the same mistake? Why can't people learn from mistakes? Why is there so much complacency? Pilots, crews and airshow coordinators that go on ego trips to try to put on a Hollywood style air show, are not being realistic. Safety should come first.
It's not just keeping things within the limits, if you always fly things to limit, you will of eventually crash and probably die. A good pilot (and even coordinators) does his best to leave in a margin of error, in case the unexpected happens, which given time the unexpected will happen. A gust of wind, a change in wind direction, and engine power surge, and electrical glitch, a sticky control surface, ect… Altitude and speed is life. If you're putting and around on the deck there is no margin for error.
If the TAP A310 and a minor problem such as a change in wind direction or speed, he didn't have the altitude or speed to correct. I have stood in relatively calm air, and have seen dust Devils take knock over a portable toilet, and toss sticks and gravel. What do you think a little vortex like that without any dust so the vortex is invisible would do if an airliner traveling that slow and low would pass through it?
Japan Dust Devil
Crash Paraglidind and HangGliding, dust devil.
I was at the above the 1977 Queens Silver Jubilee Air show at White Waltham, there was another pass in the opposite direction with the gear down too. From memory the B17 thats now Sally B also carried out similar extra low level flypasts.
The A310 doesnt leave much of a safety margin, especially the wing tip clearance and the number of people who were under the display line is quite worrying...