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Maverick Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:31 AM

(Updated): This year is the 40th anniversary of the 747, an undeniebly fantastic accomplishment of engineering! But now that it is reaching middle aged and gaining that middle aged spread while the sprightly A380 has come along to supplant it, do you think it is relevent looking into the future?What are your past memories of flying in the old dog?

Here is a picture of the roll out ceremony from our archives

Here are some articles written about the aircraft at the time.

Another one here too

Here is Flight's aircraft profile of the 747

Plus a blog from Left Field

Updated links:

Boeing 747 40 years old (Flightblog)

Really interesting article from the BBC on making of a flying giant

 The Boeing 747 was also voted Flight's 100 Greatest in last year's vote

 

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dakota67 replied on Thu, Oct 2 2008 3:24 AM

Absolutely blooming relevant today; and for another 40 years possibly! Unlike some glitzy motorcar marketeers, you don't have to keep changing the basic proven shape to appeal to buyers or passengers. Just keep upgrading the equipment fit and powerplants and leave the well-proven concept alone. However, I would, in due course, extend the upper deck further back and try to blend it somewhat. Perhaps with a lower ceiling for shorter passengers who could be offered a discount? Might also avoid the Bloated Whale look that a certain other Very Large Aircraft has. The Blended Wing concept shows promise of course, but how do you evacuate the passengers in a timely and legal manner? Which reminds me....whatever happened to Smokehoods for pax.????????

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dakota67 replied on Thu, Oct 2 2008 4:59 AM

Do please excuse me Dear Reader, if I use the contrivance of replying to my own previous Post re. "Is the B-747 still relevant after 40 years?" With larger and larger aircraft coming on line, and continuing "unease" about cabin evac. from multi-decks in event of major smoke situation following a quite survivable lowish-energy event, why have we not been hearing about simple, easy-to-don smokehoods being supplied to pax?

I recall much research being undertaken on them decades ago. What has happened??????

"......and is there Honey still for Tea?"

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Mariopilot replied on Fri, Oct 3 2008 8:58 AM

Sure it is!! considering that Boeing is working ona 747-8 project, it is surely still up to these times ... & extending more the upper deck is something I thought too ...

She is the Queen Of The Sies, after all !!  I love the Jumbo!

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dakota67 replied on Fri, Oct 3 2008 7:53 PM

THE BIPLANE AIRLINER WILL RETURN in the form of the BI-JUMBO! I can now reveal that I have offered to Boeing a concept that none of their people have yet thought of. To solve the looming problem of ever-increasing wingspan and the airport capacity problems that arise from it, the future very high capacity airliner will look like my completely original idea. (Patent pending). It will also solve the emergency evacuation problem when we are dealing with over 1,000 passengers.

To build the BJ-999, Boeing will use two (2) 747 fuselages with the old wings completely removed. Joining the fuselages will be two 200 foot span mainplanes; one set high, the other low and staggered to the rear so as to minimise biplane interference and to enhance the centre-of-gravity range. The two empennages remain standard, Six big geared turbofans will power the BJ-999 and will be mounted on top of the lower wing. The mainplanes will have a huge fuel capacity for direct London to Auckland (New Zealand..175 deg. East Long.) flights. Along the leading edge of the upper wing will be a walkway so that passengers and crew can stroll from BJ(1) to BJ(2). Windows will be fitted for panoramic views; heated for anti-icing. The aircraft will have two cockpits for redundancy and all the primary flight and engine controls will have back-up wire cables routed to them to enable the machine to be manually handled from either flight deck in the event of severe Terror attacks on the computers. Well, I must sign off now and ready myself for the phone call from Boeing that will no doubt ensue.

Biplanes will again rule the skies!

And Happiness is a sodding great Pratt & Whitney.....

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ihavecontrol replied on Mon, Oct 6 2008 8:22 PM

Why stop at a Bi-plane? Maybe a triplane design?

 

Seriously though, I have ALWAYS been a Boeing man (pardon me if that is not very European of me) and not a great fan of the A380. I am surprised that interest in the 747-8 has been slow with only Lufthansa showing interest in the passenger version. With 787 technologies including a new wing design , new powerplants and use of composite materials AND the ability of the aircraft to operate into most of the existing 747 routes , I am really surprised it hasn't faired well against the A380.

 

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dakota67 replied on Tue, Oct 7 2008 6:35 AM

Am somewhat surprised that the Boeing people have not indicated that they are agog with excitement at such a brilliant idea from a humble South Pacific lad. I have been waiting for the call from them to wing my way over to lead the design team. Even packed my bag and included my "Whizzo Boy's Draughting Kit", with spare pencils (3H) and rubbers....I say again, erasers. Is it possible that the Yankee fellahs do not read British aviation sites? Surely they must follow what is happening in Merrie England to avoid the possibility of missing some revolutionary aviation idea? After all, back in the 1930s they could have emulated that airliner masterpiece, the Handley-Page Hannibal, instead of heading down a road to nowhere with tinny machines like the DC-3. Ah well...it will be their loss if they don't email me soon. But I don't really want to leap into bed with that other mob who shall remain nameless. But of course my idea could equally and readily be applied to that B.O.U.U.F.P.S.A.M.

"Happiness is a sodding great Pratt & Whitney....and is there Honey still for Tea?"

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limamike replied on Fri, Oct 10 2008 8:45 AM

The queen is here to stay. She is only 40 years young and life begins at 40. I beleive that when Boeing extended the upper deck on the -300 they found that aerodynaically it is not feasible to extend it further. The way things are going in the industry, medium sized jets are getting larger. This suggests that the 777 will eventually make way to larger jets eventually and this is where the 747 will make its second entrance.

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dakota67 replied on Sun, Oct 12 2008 12:51 AM

Evolution-wise, I have a vision of the 747 (assuming they don't move on my Biplane variant) with an extended merged upper deck and completely re-engined and reconfigured as regards powerplants. Replace the under-slung units with new unshrouded prop-fans, or whatever they will eventually be termed. Raise the thrust-line and mount them higher and forward...rather like the old Lockheed L-188 Electra. Reduce the cruise Mach number back to about 0.77 to produce huge specific fuel consumption gains. Range will not be problem. The new B-747TP (Turbo-Prop) should carry about 600 bods and heaps of cargo. Feel free to send me a private message Boeing chappies...I am not too busy just now!

"Happiness is a sodding great Pratt & Whitney....and is there Honey still for Tea?" 

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7K7 replied on Tue, Feb 10 2009 1:38 PM

"...Islamic Rep of Iran Air Force     747-100     6..."
Wow, that's a lot of Jumbos for one airforce! 

"...I am really surprised it hasn't faired well against the A380...."
Possibly something to do with the latter being such a brilliant beast ?

"...This suggests that the 777 will eventually make way to larger jets eventually and this is where the 747 will make its second entrance...."
I think that by that time technology will have moved on far enough to warrent something completely new. Probably twin engined and  with similar quantities of carbon fiber as in the 787/A350 types. 

 "...a Boeing spokesman, Tim Bader..."

A very appropriate surname Smile 

 
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