Cookies & Privacy RE: China's Spring looks at standing only seats on aircraft - Civil Aviation - Civil Aircraft - Aviation Forums - Flightglobal Airspace

RE: China's Spring looks at standing only seats on aircraft

Bookmark and Share Skip to the end

rated by 0 users
This post has 8 Replies | 2 Followers

Top 10 Contributor
Male
Captain
Goose replied on Tue, Jun 30 2009 10:00 AM
A private airline in China is submitting plans for journeys where passengers can opt to stand to save money.

Spring Airlines first initiated the standing ticket idea earlier this year. It is now considering officially submitting it to the aviation regulator before the year is out.

The airline has been trying to cope with surging passenger numbers and new flight routes, but only has 13 planes.

"The process of plane making is really long," Spring Airlines' Zhang Wuan told China's CCTV.

“We already ordered 14 new jets. But some of them will only be delivered next year.

“And you have to wait for at least five years to lease a plane, and it is also very expensive.”

The standing jet could accommodate 40 per cent more passengers compared to a traditional plane.

It could also help airlines cut 20 per cent of their costs, while lowering airfares for consumers.

“It's just like bar stools. The safety belt is the most important thing. It will still be fastened around the waist,” Mr Wuan said.

The airline would need government backing to go ahead with the plans.

But Spring Airlines president Wang Zhenghua said that he was confident because the idea had been suggested by China's vice premier Zhang Dejiang.

“He suggested that, for a lower price, passengers should be able to get on a plane like catching a bus, with no seat, no luggage consignment, no food, no water, but very convenient,” said Mr Zhenghua.

He added that the company had consulted with Airbus, the company which built most of its aeroplanes, and had been told the proposals were safe.

“So once the government approves it formally, we'll try it,” he said.

Source: AAP
" The most important thing in life is to look into the future and not dwell in the past"
Top 10 Contributor
Captain
FlightBot Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009 11:29 AM
Flightglobal:
Privately-owned Chinese low-cost carrier Spring Airlines has spoken to Airbus about adding standing-seats on its Airbus A320s so it can have 40% more passengers......

Author: Leithen Francis

Date: 30 June 2009

Read the full article

Top 10 Contributor
Male
Captain
Maverick replied on Tue, Jun 30 2009 11:35 AM

 40% more passengers is some increase but surely it is sacrificing the whole point of air travel, in that it is a civilised way to travel. Some would say that has already been tampered with by the Ryanair's of this world but surely removing seats would feel like cattle.

AirSpace - more than just hot air

Top 10 Contributor
Male
Captain
Goose replied on Fri, Jul 3 2009 10:25 AM

So here's the concept......I wonder if Ryanair or Easyjet would go for this Crying

" The most important thing in life is to look into the future and not dwell in the past"
Not Ranked
Ground Crew
DWG replied on Mon, Jul 6 2009 2:26 AM
So I guess if you're a disabled person (like me) and can't actually stand then you're stuffed... Thank God (EC) 1107/2006 in the EU and the Air Carrier Access Act in the States will rule it out for any aircraft operating in, or into, Europe and the States. I've noticed a lot of recent mainstream cabin design concepts that don't actually pay any attention to accessibility for disabled people (no matter what equality law requires of operators), for instance seats with big side consoles that rule out any easy transfer from a wheelchair, but this idea certainly takes the biscuit. And then of course there's the problem of recertifying cabin evac time with 40% more passengers, and you just have to wonder if a seat design with a guaranteed hinge point at the base is going to be quite as crashworthy....
Top 10 Contributor
Male
Captain
Goose Crying [:'(] replied on Mon, Jul 6 2009 4:38 PM

Suprise, Suprise i wondered how long it would be before Ryanair latched onto this

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary told Sky News the low-cost airline was considering ripping out the back few rows of seats on some flights.

Passengers would be able to sit on bar stools, similar to the buffet carriage on trains, or stand up for flights lasting less than an hour and a half.

"We might take out the last five or six rows and say to passengers 'Do you want to stand up? If you do you can travel for free'," Mr O'Leary said.

The company has asked Boeing to look at the possibility of converting its planes or delivering a new fleet with "vertical seating".

A Ryanair spokesman stressed the non-seating plan would have to be given the OK by the Irish Aviation Authority

But Mr O'Leary shrugged off suggestions the move was a cost-cut too far.

"Why is this any different to what happens on trains where you see thousands of people who cannot get a seat standing in the aisles, and it happens regularly on the Underground," he said.

Mr O'Leary said he got the idea from the Chinese airline Spring, which said it could squeeze 50% more passengers on board and cut costs by 20%.

Ryanair has proposed a number of headline-catching plans to save cash.

A "fat tax" - charging heavier passengers more to fly - caused anger, as did similar initiatives to cut the number of toilets on flights and charge people to spend a penny.

The company announced on Friday it had carried 5.84 million passengers in June, 13% more than a year earlier.

Low-cost airline easyJet said it carried more passengers during June than over the same period last year.

But British Airways said on Friday that it carried 5% fewer passengers in June, while its planes were 79.6% full, compared with 81.4% a year earlier.

" The most important thing in life is to look into the future and not dwell in the past"
Not Ranked
Ground Crew
stretch replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 10:06 AM
Heard today that Ryanair is considering a similar scheme. Do these airlines not realize that the maximum number of passengers is governed by the number of emergency exits?
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Captain
Batfink replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 12:52 PM

Goose:
"Why is this any different to what happens on trains where you see thousands of people who cannot get a seat standing in the aisles, and it happens regularly on the Underground," he said.
 

 Because trains don't go up and down Mr O'Leary.

My wings are like a shield of steel.

Top 10 Contributor
Male
Captain
Maverick replied on Wed, Jul 22 2009 2:51 PM

 It seems that if you need to back up your case, get a survey done, as Ryanair have asked their passengers about their views for standing seats. Some of the more interesting results are:

If it meant your fare was free would you stand on a one hour flight?
Yes: 66%
No: 34%

If it meant your fare was half that of a seated passenger would you stand on a one hour flight? Yes: 42%
No: 58%

Do you think passengers should have a choice of standing on short flights as they currently do on trains, buses and underground transport?
Yes: 60%
No: 40%

I guess they didn't think to ask:

Do you want a fare that contains no extra or hidden charges?

Yes or No

 

AirSpace - more than just hot air

 
Page 1 of 1 (9 items) | RSS