Watch Max Kingsley-Jones and I discuss this morning's Boeing briefing.PARIS -- Boeing is actively studying two new derivatives of its long haul products and a clean sheet design to create a competing product against the Airbus A350 XWB.
Speaking at his company's Paris air show media briefing, Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief executive Scott Carson said that the double stretch 787-10, a re-winged 777 or an all new design are "potentially competing alternatives" to meet future customer needs.
The 787-10 would fill the spot currently occupied by the 777-200ER seating 305 passengers, while touting a comparable or longer range than the current offering of 13,890km (7,500nm).
Boeing is also exploring upgrades to its existing 777 with new cockpit technologies and fresh wing design for the large twinjet.
"We look at studies of all nature," says Carson. "Some...studies could even include such things in the future as potentially re-winging the airplane. And while no commitments have been made, each study has become a vital part of how we extend the utility and increase the value of [the 777]."
"Both the -10 and a re-winged, upgraded, improved 777 can offer great utility for customers. The trick is to find the one that addresses the needs most broadly so we can have broad-based market success," says Carson.
Carson says that the 787-10 and 777 re-wing are "not necessarily linked today " but adds that he and his company is actively working with customers to identify their requirements, find a product that will best address them and then exploring the feasibility of such a venture.
Carson also says that a third option, a clean sheet design, is being considered as well if the 777 re-wing and 787-10 are deemed to be lacking.
Carson declined to specify either a proposed cost for a re-winged 777 or a timeline to achieve such a goal, though Carson indicated that the development and definition of Airbus's A350 XWB would be a key factor in the decision making.
"Certainly we pay attention to the capability of that airplane, and not only the capability which will be demonstrated as the airplane goes into flight-test and the way the airplane is being marketed because that creates marketing expectations and allows people to think outside the box about what the world will look like in the future," says Carson.
Airbus plans to have the A350-900, which competes directly with the 777-200ER, flying by 2012, with an entry into service the following year.
Carson also declined to mention that if the green light is given to the 787-10 whether it would be the second or third 787 derivative after the stretched -9 or the short range -3.
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on June 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply
and what will be Boeing's answer against the A350-1000 ? or it prefers to forget it.
I think Boeing needs two kits then the answer has to be a clean sheet for a new aircraft familly.
on June 15, 2009 9:14 PM | Reply
Jean Sarfati on June 15, 2009 4:43 PM: "and what will be Boeing's answer against the A350-1000 ? or it prefers to forget it.
I think Boeing needs two kits then the answer has to be a clean sheet for a new aircraft family."
I think Boeing does not need to provide answer against the A350-1000 as long as this aircraft has not been defined clearly. Do you need to answer a question that has not been asked?
on June 16, 2009 1:13 AM | Reply
Jon,
If Boeing developed the 787-10, it would then allow Boeing to develop a wider fuselage twin engine aircraft to replace the 777 and the 747. The most likely limiting factor in this equation is how big of an engine can Boeing hang on a low wing aircraft. The engine size always dictates the aircraft size. So Jon, ask the engine manufactures what is the largest thrust engine they could deliver to Boeing for a twin engine aircraft with in the next 5-10 years. That will give you an idea of size of aircraft that Boeing could build.
on June 16, 2009 9:32 AM | Reply
OK, Vero venia forget it, for a few months anyway...ostrich answer.
I dare to remind you that Airbus has 75 firm commands of this nonexistent aircraft, and it must have made performance commitments to its heavy weight customers : Emirates, Qatar,Etihad and Asiana Airlines.
on June 16, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply
By jean sarfati on June 16, 2009 9:32 AM "I dare to remind you that Airbus has 75 firm commands of this nonexistent aircraft, and it must have made performance commitments to its heavy weight customers : Emirates, Qatar,Etihad and Asiana Airlines."
Boeing is not supposed to know what those "performance commitments" are.
By the way, orders can be canceled or amended.
When the final specifications will be known, then Boeing will be able to react. As far as I know, the -1000's entry into service is planned for 2015, so Boeing has more than "several months" to think about it.