Brazilian Air Force statement on F-X2 contract

The Forca Aerea Brasileira has issued a statement today clarifying reports in the Brazilian press that the armed service has forwarded its recommendation on F-X2 to the Ministry of Defense. For English-speaking gringos like me, here’s the Google translation:

Asto material published by the press, the Center states that the AirForce Command, through the Management Committee of the Project F-X2(GPF-X2), ended the final report of the technical analysis of competingaircraft and stresses that, to date moment, not forwarded to theMinistry of Defense.

Finally,the Air Force Command emphasizes that technical analysis report remainsfounded on the valuation of the business, technical, operational,logistical, industrial and commercial compensation (offset) andtechnology transfer.

Brigadier Air Antonio Carlos Bermudez Moretti



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20 Responses to Brazilian Air Force statement on F-X2 contract

  1. Royce 6 January, 2010 at 4:30 pm #

    Quick damage control, since Lula still retains the power to ignore the recommendations by the AF and go with Rafale. What’s odd about the reported content of the AF’s review is the stress it places on price and commercial/tech transfer. I would have thought their assignment would be to evaluate fighter performance and technical merits of each aircraft.

    So right now the AF and Embraer want Gripen, but Lula wants the French connection. Sounds like Boeing is out of the running.

  2. aeroxavier 6 January, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    for me that was USA and swedish pressure in the AF.
    because when we test one plane for the competence of it, the price of it is not one argument.And what is the single argument of USA against the rafale…the price
    for me that was similar if you compare the last ferrari and with fiat 500 and you say fiat 500 was better because she was not expensive and consume minus with the ferrari and the wheel of the ferrari was more expensive.
    don’t forgot the gripen was not build it is one project and he was in the first position

    everybody know US pressure in arms sale, and just this classment is propaganda to lose value of the rafale in the eye of potential buyers.
    you think this is serious but if you have money you can buy the voice of everybody.
    the big difference is the french governement, he say clearly of the potential buyers the strategy of USA and french sales technology, it is for this reason, this contract of “36 planes” in brazil make USA in one really rreally nasty position in the market of aircraft fighters.
    and this is the first time you can see to many article about one contract of 36 planes

    president lula know that but the AF ( high representant of it) make all of possible for take one part of the money if the rafale was not the winner

  3. Royce 6 January, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    The US is pressuring Brazil to buy a swedish aircraft when there is a U.S. aircraft in the running? It’s true that the Gripen’s Volvo RM12 engine is based on the GE F404, but that’s only one component is an aircraft with a huge amount of European parts. I don’t think you can point to U.S. pressure here.

  4. aeroxavier 6 January, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    No USA know the brazil don’t take the f-18. but if they take the gripen , american control that , ITAR and no possible for export.
    rafale is today the plane of terror in the world market od aircraft fighters. the brasil is the key because in the contract they have the technology and the export for the rafale. future buyers have 2 manufacturer and many ,many country don’t will have the USA for partners.south america was lose if brazil can sell the rafale.
    if the brazil buy the rafale the R&D of it down and the price of the rafale to, and he was one option of the f-35
    the rafale is the black beast of USA but many many people imagine the rafale like the f-18 or one gripen
    but this is the propaganda of USA for save his supremacy in weap sale

  5. Niko Serdar 6 January, 2010 at 11:19 pm #

    If true, could only mean that AF does not see Rafale as a long term solution, and that the winner of this 36 plane competition is probably mid term solution to Brazil needs. Although Dassault/ France offer is the best taking into account revived partnership, maybe we should take a more prosaic look.
    Whatever Brazil chooses will have to remain current well into fourth decade of this century-none of the competitors today will be able to fulfill that task. Both Boeing and especially Dassault are citing UCAV as the way foreward and do not have plans to design new manned platform. AI necessary to preform more complex tasks like Air Policing is in its infancy, and although great strides are taken we are at least twenty years from fielding a true multi role UCAV, if not longer.
    SAAB on the other hand has shown inital studies on 5th+ generation platform, SwAF plans are also citing new 2025 platform/system as a Gripen replacement. Saab track record as a good integrator of proven technologies into advanced products is known.

  6. Patrick 7 January, 2010 at 12:08 am #

    It seems to me that Swedish offers underestimate the “under the table” contacts with potential buyers, a colonel in the Polish AF suggested the F-16 over Gripen was a political choice, not a military one and it seems Gripen could have the same fate here, but against Rafale…

  7. mrmalaya 7 January, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    i thought the whole idea behind gripen’s marketing was that it was independent of the US? Even more so for NG.

    what a farce if it gets rolled over again though!

  8. Christopher Dye 7 January, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    I guess this means no high performance fighters for the Braz Navy on board the Sao Paulo (formerly the French Foch). I have been assuming that the French won because Braz wanted a plane both the AF and navy could use.

  9. airplanejim 7 January, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    The US pressure Brazil to buy the Gripen? You have to be kidding Xavier! The US could care less about what Brazil buys if it’s not a F-16 or F-18. Obviously Brazil is looking for offsets and tech transfer rather than a front line fighter and that may not be a bad strategy for only a 36 ship buy. Embraer gets the tech it needs for fighters and future aircraft are made in Brazil. The French are just adding another fighter manufacturer to compete with in the future for the sake of a louse 36 ships. That is cutting off that big French nose to spite their face…..

  10. Karl 8 January, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    Just to point out a few things.

    – The report isn’t from the AF. It’s from a committee where, among others, FAB is represented. Thus, it’s not strange that price is mentioned in the conclusion.

    – Gripen BR is not offered with RM12, its the F414G.

    – Carrier capability was never a requirement of F-X2. If it was, Brazil could perhaps join India in the “Sea Gripen” development.

  11. Patrick 8 January, 2010 at 1:00 pm #

    A Sea Gripen wouldn´t be too difficult, the undercarriage is already stronger then usual to withstand the landing on normal roads. With the F414G, Gripen wil probably be a bit overpowered (there isn´t such a thing in a fighter plane but still…).

  12. Patrick 8 January, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    I think it is even the opposite, prices on the F-16 and F/A-18 has been cut because Gripen suddenly sailed up as a serious contender, both to the mentioned planes and the F-35…

  13. aeroxavier 8 January, 2010 at 5:07 pm #

    you forgot relation between USA and Brasil in the is sure the f-18 was just here for the show.
    you forgot relation between USA and SAAB.
    the rafale is the first rival of the USA in the world market and if he win the brazil cantract , the rafale can be win the majority of the market against one US plane.
    he was one rival of the f-35 because the rafale is the first multirole plane (f-35 was one multirole)but the rafale is on the market and f-35 have big difficult.

    thhe strategy of USA was not for sell the f-18 but for counterbalance the rafale, that was the reason for what this contract was important

  14. Patrick 9 January, 2010 at 2:44 am #

    I am not sure what you mean, but American dominance was broken sometime ago with Sukhoi, MiG, Gripen and Typhoon.
    Gripen become operational four years before Rafale, but Rafale flew first, read into that what you

  15. Marauder1234 9 January, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    Ugh…dealing with these “developing” countries in the defense sphere is proving to be so torturous and exasperating.

    This is a race to the bottom in terms of price with all contenders likely forced into a break-even positions. The Swedes have the least to lose as it’s make-or-break for the Gripen NG. I just hope the US (in the form of GE) is generous with the F414G licensing agreement.

  16. Mauricio R 9 January, 2010 at 3:05 pm #

    The french are desperate finding some idiot to pay the bill.
    Rafale sold nothing in the world market, losing every contest to F-15; F-16; Su-30; F-35 and EF-2000.
    They laied about the ToT, as they did in the past about the helos, which Helibras still assembles from CKD kits.

  17. Patrick 10 January, 2010 at 9:10 pm #

    Last time Sweden tried to sell their fighter was The Viggen to India, the US blocked this deal and I hope SAAB (or Volvo Aero) learned a lesson…

  18. Patrick 10 January, 2010 at 9:15 pm #

    JAS 39 Gripen sailed up as supprise contender, beating the F-16 in many cases and in Poland the military wanted Gripen but since Sweden set fire to Poland a few times F-16 was choosen because US never harmed Poland…

  19. mcfly0570 13 January, 2010 at 5:31 pm #

    actually, they lost political decision, not technical comparison

    for once they seem to have played well in all fields, so, good for the rafale…

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