New PAK-FA T-50 videos appear on YouTube

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23 Responses to New PAK-FA T-50 videos appear on YouTube

  1. Dave 19 May, 2010 at 7:17 pm #

    No one can say that the Russians don’t make sharp looking planes. I do wonder if they’ll top the F-35 for sorties and envelop expansion this year with their one prototype. That would be kinda pathetic if they did…

  2. Justin 19 May, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    Does anyone know what the discoloration on the canopy is at 4:17 in the first video?

  3. alloycowboy 19 May, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    I agree the Sukhoi T-50 is currently leading the 5th generation fighter beauty contest.

  4. Robert 19 May, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Frankly, i can see the Israeli considering this aircraft as the potential replacement for its current air-superiority fighter fleet in distant future (year 2020 maybe).

  5. Stephen Trimble 19 May, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    Not if they want to continue receiving $3B/yr in US military aid, they don’t. But maybe it will come down to that, if they want it bad enough, and if the Russians are willing to offend their good customers in Iran, Syria and now Saudi Arabia.

  6. Robert 19 May, 2010 at 11:52 pm #

    Hi Stephen.

    The Israeli has been known to insisting on getting and fielding best, French, American or otherwise (roughly in such historical order); they are also quite familiar with upgrading and customizing Russian hardware; unlike how it was during Cold War era, Russian-Israeli relation these days isn’t exactly icy cold.

    Military aid won’t be solo deciding factor, IMHO.

  7. Stephen Trimble 20 May, 2010 at 12:20 am #

    If Israel buys PAK-FA, Robert, I’ll owe you a beer. I’m familiar with Israel’s connections with the Russians, but I haven’t seen any suggestion that it could become a 2-way street. Once Israel starts buying Russian equipment with US foreign aid money, the world will be a very, very strange place.

  8. Robert 20 May, 2010 at 12:27 am #

    It’s a speculation at best, of course.

    A lot of countries are getting more and more comfortable purchasing military hardwares from “nontraditional” sources these days, so i speculate that the Israeli might one day do the same if and when the need comes. i guess i just don’t see IDF not asking for PAK-FA of its equivalent if the Russian design is ever introduced to the region.

    Again, all these are speculations at best. Cheers!

  9. Stephen Trimble 20 May, 2010 at 12:42 am #

    While we’re speculating, who will Russia try to export PAK-FA to? We know the Indians are already involved. The Chinese have XXJ, but they might still need the engines.

    Who else? Venezuela comes to my mind. Libya does too. Maybe Brazil.

    What about a traditional ally like France? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Australia? Perhaps Israel fits into that speculative category as well.

  10. Obamanite 20 May, 2010 at 1:58 am #

    PAK-FA may have more moving surfaces that any fighter ever fielded. Okay, well, not more than the F-35B “Flying Swiss Army Knife,” but certainly if only aerodynamic surfaces are considered. How ’bout them moving LERXs!? That’s a first for any fighter, I believe, and shown to good advantage in the first video (their range of motion is much greater than I’d initially suspected). And the Blackbird-like all-moving stabs? We’ve obviously moved beyond super-maneuverability to hyper-maneuverability. This baby is going to be just sick to watch doing ungodly things at airshows.

    Question is, just how LO is it, and will it be sufficiently LO, and its radar and IR gear sufficiently powerful, to overcome the F-22′s and F-35′s presumed LO advantage? If I am an F-35 operator, with no F-22s available, should I be worried about PAK-FA? Or does it merely look impressive? Robert brings up a good point about Israel: can it maintain its historical qualitative superiority over prospective foes with the F-35 should Syria, Saudia Arabia, even Iran (don’t doubt it for one second) and others in the region get their hands on PAK-FA?

    Of course, Stephen is right: no way in hell Israel ever goes for PAK-FA, even if they wanted it. But, seeing as how they’ll never get the F-22, how does the F-35 compare to PAK-FA in the air-to-air arena? This is critical because, while the U.S. will use the F-35 as a principally air-to-mud fighter-bomber, most future foreign costumers will use the F-35 as their principal and indeed only air-superiority fighter. Stephen, that is perhaps a question you should start asking around, particularly of LM and prospective foreign buyers: how do they feel about the F-35′s chances air-to-air vs. PAK-FA?

  11. Robert 20 May, 2010 at 2:48 am #

    “F-35B, the ‘Flying Swiss Army Knife’” – Lol.

    PAK-FA’s foreplane serves both as a LERX and a canard; i find that noteworthy.

    Yes, please ask LMT representatives that exact question. On the market front, F35 will come head to head with PAK.FA for decades to come. If i were a politically neural country and rich & proficient enough to operate both aircraft, i would go with the later for air-defense and the former for SEAD.

  12. RAF 20 May, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    My speculation is that Iran might be interested, given the current status of their fighter fleet, Belarus probably too, but I guess their economy is kind of weak. And that probably goes for most of their traditional allies; they all have a damaged economy, China being the shining exception.
    Perhaps Malaysia can be interested too, although they have already bought SU-30. The ultimate, unlikely, impossible and jaw dropping export customer is Japan, they have the need for something like The T-50 and they sure can afford them.

    There were some problems withthe server, if this is a double submition, please erase this comment /RAF

  13. ikkeman 20 May, 2010 at 6:09 pm #

    What about the japs for Pak-FA… Not to solidly under the US umbrella, and they’re ticked they’re not allowed to get the F22.

    Maybe the Aussies once they realise what they loose in the F111.

    What other country has a need for an extended range and long endurance ADF? at about the cost of an F35?

  14. Marcelo 20 May, 2010 at 8:03 pm #

    If Iran gets the PAK-FA, USA will offer Israel the F-22, plus some F-35s at ocasion prices.

    If Israel indicates interest in the PAK-FA, USA will offer them the F-22 for free.

  15. Johnny 21 May, 2010 at 4:45 am #

    Japan getting PAK-FA and Israelis getting F-22!? Come on guys…don’t just pull this stuff out your you know whats.

  16. Robert 21 May, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    If PAK-FA successfully completes its flight test and being produced both in Russia and India, the chance is VERY GOOD that they will be able to keep the cost down and sell it around the world even if only by few dozens at a time.

    As for its RCS, even if Sukhoi only manages/bothers to keep it down to “discrete”-class LO, it’s still likely to be the Western equivalent of “Silent Flanker,” IMO.

  17. Robert 21 May, 2010 at 4:56 pm #

    Oops, typo:

    “discreet,” not “discrete”

  18. AlokG 29 May, 2010 at 8:20 pm #

    I don’t think the Russians will be selling this to the Chinese (to reverse engineer) and the deal they have signed with India will definitely take care of that. I think if Israel opts for the PAK-FA, then it will be the Indian version as it may already have some Israeli avionics. I doubt if the Russians are ‘stupid’ enough to sell it to Iran. Remember, Iran will soon be a poor Gulf country if all the UN sanctions get implemented appropriately. At >$120M a piece, they will not be able to afford it.
    I believe the Russians will be a little ahead of the F-35 as they are playing ‘catch up’ while we are being hampered by politicians (and a few tech challanges).

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  20. enthusiast 7 June, 2010 at 2:52 pm #

    Are you kidding??? Silent Eagle is nothing more than old airframe with few stealthy features.
    Look at PAK-FA’s aiframe. It was borned to be stealth. PAK-FA (in its final production variant) should be much more stealthy than F-15SE.

  21. Robert 7 June, 2010 at 3:02 pm #

    [my point exactly, actually....]

    Hence the challenge to the assumption that

    PAK FA won’t be ‘stealthy’/capable enough to challenge an F15E+/F35-equipped air force.

    PAK FA, IMHO, will at very least be as capable as the proposed Silent Eagle, which by and large remains a proposal.

  22. enthusiast 8 June, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    PAK-FA won’t be capable enough to challenge F-15E/F-35 ? Reason why? If you look precisely on T-50 prototype, you see that it’s looks very stealthy, at least from fontal aspect. Frameless canopy and better IRST (much less radar observable) will be implemented on serial production aircraft.

    PAK-FA will have more powerful radar (larger aperture size and power), additional side-looking AESA radars, L-band radar. Missiles for PAK-FA will be longer with greater range (look at long internal weapons bays on PAK-FA). Obiviosly, PAK-FA will have major advantage in BVR over F-15E/F-35.
    Not doubt about superiority over F-15/F-35 in kinematic perfomance, which PAK-FA will have, for sure.

    As for “Silent Eagle”, it’s just mock-up. Even Boeing claimed that it’s not true stealth aircraft, but almost 40 years old airframe with a few ‘low observability’ features.

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