First glimpse of Chinese fighter, or Russian rip-off?



China has allowed the carrier-based J-15 to be photographed (above) and videotaped (below) for the first time after reportedly achieving first flight last August.



The J-15 is credited by the Chinese as indigenous development, but the Russians consider it a rip-off of a Sukhoi Su-33 that China acquired from the Ukraine. Moscow also has complained that China ripped off the Su-27 by starting a production line for the carbon-copy J-11B. 

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30 Responses to First glimpse of Chinese fighter, or Russian rip-off?

  1. Dave 12 July, 2010 at 9:40 pm #

    It’s pretty clearly a rip-off of the Su-33, though I’m sure some delusional Chinese nationalist will come on here and make some laughable claim that is it not. It strikes me as amazing that the Russians keep exporting their weapons to China while knowing full well that the Chinese are going to steal their intellectual property.

    This is also why I oppose selling F-16s to Pakistan- given the relations between China and Pakistan, one can infer that those F-16s will be in Chinese hands for examination soon enough. Hell, we could just bypass the middle man and given the Chinese the jets, at least Pakistan and their psychotic population wouldn’t have it.

  2. Alert 5 13 July, 2010 at 1:53 am #

    The photo has been PSed. If you look carefully in the video. The actual plane doesn’t have a tailhook yet.

  3. Stephen Trimble 13 July, 2010 at 1:55 am #

    OOO! Nice catch, Alert 5.

  4. alloycowboy 13 July, 2010 at 5:36 am #

    The Russians shouldn’t complain. Their TU-4 bomber was a clone of the Boeing B-29 bomber. As well the engine that powered their Mig-15 was a Rolls-Royce Nene clone. So the Chinese are just following the Russian tradition of R & D, “Rip off and Duplicate”.

  5. rapier 13 July, 2010 at 7:27 am #

    “….. a rip-off of a Sukhoi Su-33 that China acquired from the Ukraine …..”

    Had Ukraine ever got a Su-33?

    • IBangAeroxavier 27 September, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

      the Su-33 prototype that was in Ukraine was the inheritance from Soviet Union. After the breakup of Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited this prototype.

  6. keesje 13 July, 2010 at 10:45 am #

    I guess it takes a cowboy to bluntly deny the wide arrays of innovations and inventions by the russian aerospace sector during the last 70 yrs..

    the chinese machine probably is a good copy. the chinese feel totally different though, they think is a kind of unfair other countries deny them technology they need..

  7. Jetcal1 13 July, 2010 at 4:28 pm #

    Keesje
    We feed off of each by following design trends. But, essentially Alloy Cowboy is correct. The two dimensional intakes of the MiG-25 were lifted from the A-5.
    The CIWS happened to follow a Russian design.

  8. aeroxavier 13 July, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    chinese mentality was different of occidental country.When they make one copy and if that was made in 100% in china that’s china not one copy.
    All chinese industry was build by occident, all technology was copied because that was in china.

    All chinese military stuff was copied to others country.

    for chinese if you take one wheel and make one another similar wheel, that’s not copied, they don’t have find the idea but can see the idea.

    @ alloycowboy
    USA have most used russian stuff for take idea and not inverse.
    they have take all russian made plane, tested it and make one superior aircraft.

    like you can’t say all country copied US missile and nuclear bomb and ignored that was nazy who have give this techno for USA.nuclear weapon was not one totally hazard, many country was working in this time for one weapon with this.

    but chinese that was no doubt, they make copy of everything

    • IBangAeroxavier 27 September, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

      Don’t Tell Me that NO any other countries on Earth have ever copy others work !?!

  9. RobH 13 July, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    What?! A cheap Chinese knockoff? I am shocked. SHOCKED!

  10. sferrin 13 July, 2010 at 7:03 pm #

    Where’s the Chinese fighter? My browser just shows a picture of a Flanker. ;-)

  11. Herkeng130 13 July, 2010 at 7:18 pm #

    I was under the impression that Russia had helped China set up the assembly line for the J-11… This is Russias own fault.

  12. rapier 13 July, 2010 at 7:54 pm #

    “….. The two dimensional intakes of the MiG-25 were lifted from the A-5 …..”

    As the intakes of the MiG-23 were lifted from the F-4 …..

    Please note that Artem Mikoyan visited the 1961 Paris Air Show and viewed the “Vigilante” and the “Phantom” displayed there.

  13. Chris 14 July, 2010 at 2:45 am #

    If the rip off is anything like the Nanchang CJ-6, a supposed rip off of the Yak-52, then this fighter would be far superior than the original.

  14. Saberhagen 14 July, 2010 at 12:39 pm #

    @ aeroxavier:

    Again, you amuse people here. You cant tell the difference between knowledge and design.

    “USA have most used russian stuff for take idea and not inverse.
    they have take all russian made plane, tested it and make one superior aircraft.”

    How can it happen when most of the time the Russian went behind the US? How can you copy something doesnt exist yet?

  15. rapier 14 July, 2010 at 3:49 pm #

    Paris Air Show 1961 …..

    http://www.testpilot.ru/france/aerospatiale/sc/img/sc.jpg

    The Russians & the Super-Caravelle …..

  16. Big D 14 July, 2010 at 6:54 pm #

    I dunno, I still think it looks like a variant of a F-15 modified for greater ruggedness and tolerance of part failures, with IRST and wingtip rails tacked on… ;)

  17. Simon 16 July, 2010 at 4:19 pm #

    The Chinese made a better version of the Su 33 so no need to buy from Russia. Everything that the Chinese has copied from Russia turn out to be vastly superior to the original. The problem is although Russia has the design skills their industry is so poor and backward the quality control and infrastructure to manufacture highly specialized warplane and weaponry becomes less able and reliable than it intended purposes. Take the repeated failure of the latest Russian Topol missile program for instant but the Chinese version the DF41 is more reliable in tests so far.

  18. Valbone 20 July, 2010 at 4:10 am #

    I believe the SU33 is a very complicate airplane. It is not easy to copy 100% of thsi airplane, and the chinese must have put some new input to make it as J-15

  19. Omer 20 July, 2010 at 1:27 pm #

    @Dave

    Err, why is the Pakistani population Psychotic? I assume you have met and interacted with many Pakistanis to make that insightful analysis?

  20. Alan Maclay 21 July, 2010 at 6:16 am #

    This is nice. I hope it runs good.

  21. Nitesh 21 July, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    Chinese definition of R&D was different, it apparently it translates roughly to “Receive and Duplicate”

  22. Escort Solo Cordless Radar Detector 23 July, 2010 at 10:19 pm #

    Time and Patience would bring the snail to Jerusalem.

  23. flanker1 28 July, 2010 at 8:18 am #

    @rapier
    It was a ukraine owned prototype su-33 as all the prototype testing was done in the crimea so they got one for a museum.

  24. Pete 28 July, 2010 at 8:26 pm #

    Omer,
    Dave refers to the collective psychosis shown to the world on the news every day for the last thirty, or so, years.

    Aeroxavier,
    I think you need a big slice of reality my friend!!

    1. The Chinese copy anything that works that they can’t do themselves – Fact.

    2. Their efforts have NOT been superior to the originals in the vast majority of cases, mostly let down by materials technology and avionics.

    Jetcal1
    I, for one, have not seen anything remotely similar to Goalkeeper, or any of the other CIWS systems, on a Russian/Soviet ship. Canyou enlighten us.

    3. To assert that the US have copied every Soviet/Russian plane sinced the year dot is completely ludicrous as the US has almost invariably led the technology race which precedes innovation in aircraft design.

    3. Just how did the NAZI’s give the US the Atomic bomb? Can you enlighten me? Please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Project Manhattan started well before the end of the war (1940!!!)?

    To anybody writing in to these blogs with English as their first language, please proof read your copy so that it doesn’t make you look like a moron!!

    Final words
    Before anybody infers that I am biassed, i wiil hav eto admit that I am:- against the US. I just happen to recognise that The US industry has always led the field in terms of technology, if not social justice, medical care and law enforcement.

  25. Yas 21 September, 2010 at 10:33 am #

    Collective psychosis? The same can be said of anyone, Americans, Russians, Chinese etc. Besides, do you really believe everything you see on your news?

  26. Eeeh 10 January, 2011 at 12:03 pm #

    For nearly 10 years Atlas 5 is launched by Russian RD-80 and it will continue doing so for another 10 years. So that 20 years Americans using Russian engine tech until they copy it and unveil their

    own version ;) Like they did with Yak-141 engine.

    2Simon
    Everything that the Chinese has copied from Russia turn out to be vastly superior to the original.
    ————-

    You mean how they greatly struggle with copying AL-31 engine? Chinese copy has terrible reliability issues.

    As one of the Antonov’s designers has said: Chinese still can’t independently design an aircraft without asking for assistance from Russia and Ukraine.

  27. Eeeeeh 10 January, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

    For nearly 10 years Atlas 5 is launched by Russian RD-80 and it will continue for another 10 years. So that 20 years Americans using Russian engine tech until they copy it and unveil their own version ;) Like they did with Yak-141 engine.

    2Simon
    Everything that the Chinese has copied from Russia turn out to be vastly superior to the original.
    ————-

    You mean how they greatly struggle with copying AL-31 engine? Chinese copy has terrible reliability issues.

    As one of the Antonov’s designers has said: Chinese still can’t independently design an aircraft without asking for assistance from Russia and Ukraine.

  28. IBangAeroxavier 27 September, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    @aeroSUXavior

    Don’t Tell Me that NO any other countries on Earth have ever copy others work !?!

    Most likely your Mentality is different but retarded !!!

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