Russia to take delivery of PAK-FA in Q3, Japan launches new carrier

The Russian Air Force will receive its first Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fifth-generation stealth fighter in the third quarter of 2013, according to RIA Novosti. The report, which cites Russian air force commander Lt Gen Viktor Bondarev, states that government flight tests will start in the fourth quarter of the year. Earlier in April, Russian president Vladimir Putin had said that new jet would enter into service in 2016.t-50-4_1200

Meanwhile back here in America, the Lockheed Martin F-35B completed its 500th vertical landing on 3 August.  The B-model is expected to start its second set of sea trials next week on the USS Wasp. Successfully completing of those sea trials is key to declaring F-35B operational with the US Marine Corps in 2015.F35_500VL=400)

In other news, Japan launched its biggest warship since World War II earlier today according to the Associated Press. Though officially classified as a destroyer, the 19,500-ton vessel is in fact a small aircraft carrier some 820ft in length. It will carry 14 helicopters, and while it does not have a ski-jump or catapults, that would not prevent Japan from operating F-35Bs from its deck. US amphibious assault ships like the Wasp do just fine without those features.

It is debatable as to whether or not the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, which is the post-war successor to the Imperial Japanese Navy, is technically permitted to own an aircraft carrier under Article 9 of the current Japanese constitution. Under that article, Japan renounces war as a means to settle international disputes.

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16 Responses to Russia to take delivery of PAK-FA in Q3, Japan launches new carrier

  1. S O 7 August, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    “Japan renounces war as a means to settle international disputes”

    So does every United Nations member.
    See Charter of the United Nations, Article I.1

    Also, see North Atlantic Treaty Article 1:
    “The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.”

    The problem is that several NATO members are violating their alliance obligations often and grossly and are thus lousy NATO members.

  2. Ed 7 August, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    Just to note, the delivery of the PAK FA to the Russian Air Force in 2013 does not contradict the statement that it would enter service in 2016. The aircraft will only be used for testing (I’m guessing it regards its integration for a large part), the coming years, not for actual service.

  3. f35 photographer 7 August, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

    I am not good at comparing aircrafts but i am afraid Pak-fa is better than F-35 JSF. I hope our project (including 10 countries) does not turn out to be disappointment.

    • MrSatyre 7 August, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

      If you are not good at comparing “aircrafts” then why are you posting an otherwise baseless comment like this here?

  4. Martin 7 August, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    Well, Flanker is quite wide designation. You mean Su-27 from eighties, Su-27SM2 or SM3, Su-30, Irkut Su-30SM with canards and thrust vectoring, or brand new Su-35? I guess you don´t know. Any of those planes has superior kinematic performance over F-35 anyway, so what is the point?

  5. Roads 7 August, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    The PAK-FA and F-35 aren’t good platforms for comparison. PAK-FA would be better to compare to F-22, F-15SE. The F-35 is a multirole workhorse like the F-16 single engine platform.

  6. Peter Bos 8 August, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    @Roads:

    Whether they are the right platforms for comparison is debatable.
    The F35 is going to be a more likely opponent once the PAK FA is used in anger than the F22 due to the larger numbers of platforms deployed and nations who deploy it(compared with the the F22.

    Being a workhorse is a argument that supports the likeliness of them meeting. The F16 has done an excellent job despite being a workhorse by the way.
    Futhermore, western aircraft have a tendency of mingling it up with aircraft of a previous generation and that might be a valid for comparing 5th gen aircraft with mig 29′s an Flankers of any kind.

    Pak FA is a flanker with a trendy aftermarket stealthy looking bodykit to help foreign sales because the odd 100 the Russians will buy over a protracted period will not justify developing a true 5th generation fighter. It just does not add up.

    • Roads 8 August, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

      Fair enough. But I wasn’t bringing the variable of who is likely to face who into the question. I was just saying if you want to compare aircraft platforms its a good start to use air superiority vs air superiority, multi-role vs multi role, ISR vs ISR etc. F-35 was to be the cheaper, jack of all trades “workhorse” supported by other air to air assets such as the F-22 and its sixth gen brother that will probably be made in small numbers as an air superiority fighter to support the F-35 as well. And I say the F-35 WAS to be… because as we all know the price is still steep for the role it is to fill and the numbers to be manufactured.

      I agree with your comments on the PAK-FA as a dressed up flanker. Of course Russia will boast of the avionics and electronics/radar superiority to the F-22, the aspects we cannot prove or disprove but I doubt have much merit.

  7. MarthaS 4 October, 2013 at 11:10 am #

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    I have came across 2 spelling errors.

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  8. JBerrett 21 October, 2013 at 9:04 pm #

    Please try to spell correctly when posting informational comments. It really adds credibility to your presentation of “facts”. Try using “their” instead of “there” a little more and we might believe more of what you post.

  9. Adam Holtz 7 August, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    You openly admit that you aren’t good at comparing aircraft yet you say Pak Fa is better. See the Irony?

    The Pak-Fa is claimed by Russian sources to only have an RCS of about 0.1 m^2 or so. That’s nothing compared to the F-35. As such the F-35 should hold a veritable edge over the Pak-Fa in terms of situational awareness once the EOTS, DAS, and APG-81 (which can detect and jam EVEN THE F-22′s RADAR) are considered.

    As Anton Levanter said on an earlier DEWline post, the Pak-Fa’s kinematic performance likely won’t be that much different from a Flanker. Even the “stealth” part leaves a lot to be desired compared to the western stealth designs so in the end the Pak-Fa is overhyped.

  10. So? 14 August, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    PAK FA with its *current engines* matches the F-22 kinematically.

  11. Rkap 16 August, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    Situational
    The Russians have released enough for us to know a reasonable amount.

    1] Situational – It has front side and rear ASEA.
    It has 2 Infra Red “they think” sensors and the Russian version will be as good if not better than anything in the West. They have lots of experience in that area.
    It has L Band that if not able to guide missiles will be able to at least “Que” there new AESA Radar and operate in a passive mode undetected and probably will have some sort of jamming role as well. We just don’t know and they sure are not going to tell us. They will not have put it on simply as something to fool us. It has to have abilities worth having. Abilities the F22 and F35 will not have.
    The ASEA will be a big Radar with many elements in the large airframe they have and cooling will be no problem in such a large aircraft. I understand there will be no big time delays there as it uses a similar back end to there upgraded Irbus Radar on the SU35 that are now going operational. [The Irbus is a very big powerfull radar itself that has been continually improved.] Some say if may be both Electronically steered and Mechanically steered giving it a wide arc. They probably have the room to do that.

    2] Engines – Nothing wrong with the present Engines but the new final stage engine will be superior to anything around at present. Thrust of something like the F135 in a Supercruise engine. They say 30% lighter than the present engine and cheaper to make than present engines. It seems they may have made some sort of breakthrough there. That will make it about 1000kg. So its specific thrust will be well in front. [F22 - 1,900kg from memory each.]
    They obviously have made a breakthrough in turbines. A Docu. on TV and reports about a ceramic coated turbine blade to handle the extreme heat in the new engine. That also will help with stealth.
    OK – there present engine both un-resticted and lighter than the F119 on the F22 and a lighter airframe construction should see it easily be able to equal or exceed the F22 in performance and agility. The design of the Pak Fa has not let Stealth Features in any way compromise its agility. A completely different approach to the USA that has been prepared ever since the first stealth aircraft to sacrifice agility and range in order to have stealth. It is admitted that the F22 wastes a lot of power with its airframe design and vectoring system designed to minimize reflections.

    Agility.
    We have the above engines that are no hindrance. Also the Pak Fa has a mature 3D Vectoring system. The Russians claim its agility will be better than any Flanker and they reported it exceeded there expectations in many areas. They obviously have had very few problems during testing to now be handing it over to there airforce for final testing and weapons integration etc. No reason not to believe them.
    Its construction is even lighter than that on the SU35 which was far lighter than any preceding Flanker thus its better performance and range and payload. [Much more use of advanced Titanium alloys and Composites.]
    The SU35 has virtually a new airframe. Just looks like a Flanker.
    The Pak Fa has a distinctively different airframe than the Flanker so in no way is it a Flanker. [Altogether Different].
    The test footage we have seen is either Russian test Pilots being either extremely reckless or it is far better than anything we saw the F22 do for along time. Already they are throwing it about far more than we have seen the F35. They obviously are very confident about the airframe.
    In my mind I have no reason to not believe the Russians when they say it will in agility terms be the best. [One of there normal strengths.]

    The Electronics.
    Nothing to go on except it will be far more advanced than anything they have ever built. There Test Pilot let it slip it can take off itself and return to base with an injured Pilot and land itself. All we can gather from that is they have made advances there to economically put such a system on the Pak Fa.

    Just how good it integrates all the sensors and radars on the aircraft is something we will not know for some time. That is the key. How well it integrates them and helps the pilot.

    Payload and Range.
    It has good payload from what has been released. It should take 8 of there R77 series Missiles internally and just how many of there longer range Missiles is still not known. All its Missiles are already updated and many tested and some ready for production or in production. No real details released on improvements on most.
    With all the information released it will have better payload and better range than both the F22 and F35 by far.

    Unknown
    Its exact Stealth and if it will be further improved when the Final Stage engine arrives.
    Just how well the Electronic side will be able to handle all the information available from its Radar and sensors etc.
    Personally I bet it is not far behind or you never know it may be ahead. They have come up with a lot on innovations in the past. A lot of the hard yards must have been done on the SU35 system. The Pak Fa can only be better in terms of software.
    We just don’t know and for all we know the Russians as in the past have come up with there own way of bridging the gap that did exist in that area. All I know is Putin and there Parliament did not put a Ban on selling there Advanced Fighter systems for no reason about 2-3 years ago. If it was not better than the systems available on Euro Fighters and 4++ US Fighters no ban would have been put in place.
    It has to be as good and anything now on the market from Europe or the USA as the Russians are keen for export dollars. As good as the F35 – who knows and who really knows how good in practise the F35 systems will be with many of them incomplete or having problems. All they say is the West will be surprised. There is no reason not to believe them. Everything they have released to date has been proven to be true in the longer term.
    Can we say that about the F35. Has it lived up to its design concept. Also there is no guarantee its software will be ready in even 2019. Also when the hell are they finally going to do some weapons testing. The way things are going the Pak Fa will beat them. I think they are due to start late this year or next year and how good will the F35 be on early software and flying with systems that still do not work correctly or improvised interim systems?
    There are a lot of questions. About 2025 we might know if we are lucky.

    Stealth
    The Russians obviously have decided not to go for overall stealth so the F35 will probably even be better but we know nothing of there new Nano Coatings etc.
    Odds are it will not be as Stealthy as the F35 is. Not hat it is all that stealhty from many angles. With the very hot back end it has it certainly has no real stealth from the back.
    To me and most observers it seems obvious Russia does not have a lot of faith in Stealth into the future. There counter appears to be to develop counter stealth systems. The L Band radars are obviously part of that. There mixed range of MIssile seekers is also another indicator.
    Nobody is going to know for sure until some of them meet in action. If ever.

    Two different approaches in reality.

  12. Peter 22 October, 2013 at 12:19 am #

    The russians don’t have a choice. They don”t have the infrastructure or know how in materials or electronics. They cannot make a VLO fighter. It’s not a choice. It’s simply where they are. The minute you hear they are forgoing stealth for maneuver is the minute you know they’re full of it.

  13. Peter 22 October, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    …and just because you read some things on the internet….doesn’t meant they’re true. Russian military bombast and braggadocio is infamous. The only place the Pak is going to measure up is in post stall maneuver (yawn).

  14. Peter 22 October, 2013 at 12:19 am #

    Sure it does.

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